We recently had the chance to sit down with Toby Morse (vocals), Adam Blake (bass) and Rusty Pistachio (guitar) of the legendary New York hardcore band, H2O, as well as Colin McGinniss (of None More Black fame and H2O’s stand-in guitarist), along with the occasional cheeky input from Mark ‘Barney’ Greenway (friend of H2O and Napalm Death vocalist), during the last stop of their two-week European tour in London.
We got talking about the positive response of their long-awaited comeback album Nothing To Prove, whether we have to wait another seven years for a new record, the appearance of CM Punk in their video for Nothing To Prove, the future of Hazen Street, straight edge, the NYHC scene, and how they’ve lasted so long in a genre where many bands seem to come and go, as well as a whole lot more.
Faye: So, you cancelled your European tour in April and May, how come?
Toby: Because we didn’t want to come over here. [laughs]
Adam: To tell you the truth, that tour was never really confirmed by us. The first we found out about that tour was when we came over for the Persistence Tour and saw posters up, and we were like, “What? We didn’t know anything about this tour.” It looked like we cancelled, but in reality we never said we were even going to do it, we never booked it, so sorry. [laughs] There’s some mad people out there.
Faye: You finally made it back over and have been touring Europe for the past couple of weeks, how’s that been going for you?
Toby: It’s been fun, two-weeks and 15-shows. It’ good, a little tiring, but it’s good.
Faye: I read on Toby’s Twitter that Peterborough blew the other UK shows away.
Toby: Yeah, it was fucking awesome, packed, kids diving, it was crazy. Tonight could be better, though. We’ll see what happens.
Adam: Kingston was pretty good, too.
Toby: Yeah, it was good, but there was a few kids in Kingston that just stood there while we played too. There was a lot of hype on that show, I’m a little let down Kingston, we went off more than the crowd, it was too hot, that’s why Peterborough fucking killed it last night, Peterborough was the shit.
Faye: I think, with Kingston, a lot of people just went for the sake of it because it was 150 capacity.
Toby: Exactly! They came for the hip and cool thing about it.
Adam: I still think Kingston was a great show, it still went off.
Toby: I hated it. [laughs] No, it was good, but Peterborough was shocking, we never played Peterborough, it was really shocking to me, it was awesome, all kinds of people there, a lot of diving and singing along and dancing. The thing about Kingston, yeah, I get it, H2O playing in a small capacity and it was fun, but sometimes it’s not fun for me, personally, and these, because we can’t be a band, we can’t move around and the stage was totally wet. I had to stand there on a towel, so I wouldn’t fall on my ass. I know it’s fun for kids to go off in a little tiny box, but we like to have fun too, that’s why tonight is good, because we can be a band.
Rusty: You could see half-way through the set when people were drenched in sweat and gasping for air that they were shot.
Faye: How come your brother and guitarist, Todd Morse, isn’t on this tour?
Toby: He’s playing with The Offspring right now.
Colin: I ate him!
Faye: How did Colin from None More Black get involved?
Toby: I met that dude like 12-years ago, he went to some of the first H2O shows, 15-years ago, in Philly. There were like 3 or 4 people and he was there, and we just knew him over the course of all these years and stuff. His best friend, Paul Delaney, who usually fills in, he’s from None More Black too and he couldn’t do it, because he got a real job selling make-up to girls, so then we got Colin and Colin’s just as good, if not better.
Faye: I heard you’ve not been enjoying the food over here.
Toby: Today was great, we ate a great buffet, all you can eat Thai buffet. The food is way better in the UK than it is in Germany for vegetarians, for sure.
Adam: Actually, the whole of Europe has got better over the years.
Toby: We’re spoiled, I’m just a spoiled American, going to my restaurant every day, having my shit.
Adam: You’ve got M&S [Marks and Spencer] here, though.
Toby: M&S is great, fucking M&S is the best truckstop I’ve ever seen in my life. It’s so healthy! Truckstops in America are horrible, horrible.
Faye: So, your last album, Nothing To Prove, you proud of the positive response that it received?
Toby: Yeah, I’m really happy with the response.
Faye: I read in an interview with you, when you were writing Nothing To Prove that you wanted it to be your Everything Sucks (by Descendents), like an epic comeback album, do you feel you accomplished that?
Toby: We just wanted to make a record like they did, they disappeared for 10-years and came back, and made an amazing album that was flawless. I was hoping we could do something like that, making a comeback record like that, after not making a record for so long and having kids be like, “Wow, they’ve still got it.”
Adam: It surprises people when you come back with a good record.
Faye: So, do you consider Nothing To Prove as H2O’s Everything Sucks?
Toby: Yeah, I’d like to think so.
Faye: I’ve heard some say it was hypocritical to have Matt Skiba do guest vocals on What Happened?, when he used to wear eyeliner in Alkaline Trio.
Adam: [laughs] Oh, she’s calling us out, I like it! Investigative journalism!
Toby: No, it’s not hypocritical, you want to know why it’s not? Because I knew Matt Skiba before I heard any of his songs, we became friends on Warped Tour with Hazen Street, that guy was my friend, I didn’t know any of his music, I became really close with that dude, I didn’t hear his songs until a couple of years later. I didn’t know anything about that band, I heard the name and we became so tight. When we were doing the record, I didn’t research them seeing if they wore make-up, I didn’t know anything about them. The song’s not about people like that, the song is about people who are more worried about that than singing something sincere, it’s about the image. Skiba’s a sincere cat, who sings about the shit he cares about. Green Day are dope, they wear make-up, and they believe in what they’re doing. It’s about the kids who just worry about the image and not what’s in their heart, that’s what that song is about. So, I don’t think it’s hypocritical, I think it’s dope because me and Skiba are friends based on friendship, not on who’s in what band, but now I like his band and my son likes his band, he’s my son’s babysitter, he’s a fucking amazing person, but I didn’t know his history of what he wore. That just goes to show that I like Skiba because he’s a real dude, not because of what you guys saw him wear, it doesn’t matter. We didn’t know what the song was going to sound like, we sent him that bridge and he sent it back to us and we were like, “Holy shit!” He wrote all that himself, he killed it. I bet the same kids that say it’s hypocritical are singing that song live when we play it every night. The song doesn’t even say anything about make-up neither, it’s just my friend Mike said something about it in the video about it because that’s what he feels.
Rusty: Yeah, he [Matt Skiba] did a great job. I don’t see how that’s hypocritical though, someone should explain that to me. That song isn’t about how you shouldn’t be concerned about how you look, it’s saying the people who worry about all that shit is puzzling to us, where the biggest part of the scene is how you dress, when the biggest part of the scene is actually getting to the shows and being part of it. I think people interpret it differently and think it’s a slag on anyone who wants to look fashionable. Everyone makes a conscious choice of what they’re wearing when they go to a show, but is it the most important thing? No. Maybe the chicks want to pick up a guy so it is important or maybe guys want to pick up a girl.
Adam: And there’s guys who want to pick up guys and girls who want to pick up girls.
Toby: People don’t know that when I go home, I put make-up on in my house, I dress up like the Misfits.
Faye: You seemed to gain a lot of new fans from Nothing To Prove, do you feel those songs get the best reaction live?
Toby: They do, it’s crazy. In the US too, it’s pretty wild. It always used to be the other way, people would be like, “Old stuff, old stuff!”, but then we finally put out a new record out and now kids want the new stuff, so it’s a good sign.
Faye: Why do you hardly play anything off Go? Despite you guys saying you still like the album.
Toby: We played those songs for so long, because we didn’t have a new album, it’s the same with the old songs too. It’s not that those songs stand out from all the other songs in our set, even though the production of the record was overproduced, because live they fit in with all our songs, we just haven’t played them in a while
Faye: As mentioned, you had been away for a while, doing things on and off for a few years, was it an easy transition getting back into the full swing of things?
Toby: Yeah, I mean, doing the record was fun, because over the course of those years, it was like, “Do you want to do a new record?” “Nah.”, “Are you inspired?” “Nah.”, “You want to do something?” “Nah.” I lived here, they lived there, I had a baby, we weren’t really feeling it at that point, we were kind of burned and drained from touring, so doing the record as fun, it was easy. It’s weird, it just started flowing, I guess.
Faye: You played your last show of the year in the US in June, what are you getting up to for the rest of the year?
Toby: Probably play some more shows in the US. [laughs]
Adam: We’re playing Lisk Fest, we’re winding it down, though.
Toby: Yeah, we’re playing Lisk Fest in California on September 5th, it’s a big show. Then probably just hang out, be a Dad, work out, get ripped, enjoy life, enjoy the last 8-months of my thirties. Shout out to Barney from Napalm Death in the house, he’s turned 40, he looks like he’s 20, young bastard.
Faye: Will we have to wait another seven years for your next record?
Toby: It’ll take at least maybe five. [laughs] No, I don’t know, man, we’ll see. We have to get inspired again and make sure to do something better than this record.
Faye: Do you feel there’s pressure to match or top the next one?
Toby: I personally feel that I can’t do another album. Right now, I couldn’t do another album like we’ve just done, I’m not inspired right now. I’m not saying we’re not going to be, we can do it, but not right now. This record is only one year old, it’s like one year and two months old, but it feels like it came out years ago, because it’s been so long since we had a new album, but it’s only a little over a year old thinking about it, it came out last May, it’s crazy. So, people should enjoy this for a little while, we should have had some more songs on it.
Adam: Yeah, it’s a pretty short record.
Toby: But no filler, right? All killer!
Faye: H2O has been going for about 15-years, but most modern hardcore bands today don’t really seem to last longer than a few years, why do you think that is?
Toby: I don’t know, they get burned out, they’re not into it, maybe that’s what it is, but I don’t know, I can’t speak for those bands.
Adam: There’s two different types of people, there’s people that do bands and stop doing bands to get one with the rest of their lives and go to college, then there’s losers like us who’ve kept at it. [laughs]
Toby: Bands who make it a part of their life, it’s not about being a loser, it’s a lifestyle, you love playing shows, it’s in our blood.
Rusty: Before the band, we hung out and went to shows and that was a big part of our lives, so while we’ve been doing the band it’s been a big part of our lives to play as well as go to shows. Lately, moving to LA, I don’t go to as many shows, maybe I’m slowing down from what we used to be like.
Toby: We’re not young kids any more, man.
Adam: But it does keep you somewhat young.
Toby: Yeah, being in a band keeps you young for sure, touring, hearing from young people like you who are interested in us or just finding out about us this late into our career. There’s so many young kids that come to our shows from this new record, it’s crazy, it’s like we’re a new band, but in reality we feel old as shit, so that makes it fun and new for us.
Faye: I interviewed Pat from Have Heart a couple of weeks ago, he said that the touring lifestyle was too much for him, and since that’s how bands mainly get their income these days as CD sales are low, do think you’ve lasted so long because you took a few years out, made a life for yourselves outside music with other businesses and jobs, so there isn’t a need for you to tour so much for financial stability and therefore don’t get burned out?
Toby: Yeah, we tour for fun, we make some money, but tour for fun. We did tour for almost 10-years and that was the only thing we had going on in our lives, so some bands that just tour non-stop to make that money, that’s a different story, they’re doing like six months touring, we’re doing two weeks, it’s nothing, we used to do that in the nineties. People steal your music, but they come to your shows and they buy your t-shirt now. They get your whole discography for fucking free, but then they pay for a ticket and buy a t-shirt, which is good, so now the touring band makes money, because, in reality, a lot of bands don’t make money off their records, so they have to tour non-stop to make that cash, so I understand that, it’s definitely a lifestyle and you get burned out on it really quick, and that’s probably what Pat means and he’s just like, “Damn, we have to do that shit just to get by.” then you go home and you have to go back out again. We were doing that too, we were home for like three days and then back out.
Adam: I think if we had to go back to that lifestyle, we wouldn’t have lasted.
Toby: For an example, Terror. Terror is, for no joke, one of the hardest working touring bands, they just toured Europe for two months, came home for three days, and now they’re on a five-week US tour, no joke, and they’re not young dudes, they love hardcore, they love touring, this is their lifestyle, they live it. They’re non-stop, more than any other band I know, non-stop, that’s the real deal, they fucking love it. We love it too, but we don’t love it that much to be out that long, we’ve got families and shit, they do too, but it’s actually to each his own. Some people can have lives at home and they go on tour all the time, but us, personally, we like to go out in little sprats, you don’t get burned. We got burned, that’s why we disappeared for seven years.
Faye: The hardcore bands that seem to last are the New York hardcore bands, like you, Madball, Sick Of It All, Agnostic Front, Earth Crisis, Murphy’s Law, etc. What are your thoughts on that?
Toby: I think it’s the truth, I think all those bands are killing it, over 20-years, man. I saw Agnostic Front play the other day and they’re still fucking amazing. We know they’re a great band, we’ve seen them in the US, but when you see them live over here, it’s a whole other level, it’s inspiring to see that, because they’re older than us and they’ve been doing it for a long time, they paved the way for us and for them to still be relevant and still be doing that for a lifestyle, it’s amazing. They’re blessed. Especially with hardcore music, it’s not on the radio or television, it’s still underground and to last that long, it’s amazing. You can only wish for that being in a band.
Faye: You’re pretty proud of your roots and there seems to be a re-emergence of the NYHC sound, but how do you feel about these modern hardcore bands, who have no connection with the New York scene, yet seem to adapt the sound and lifestyle, pretending to be from the streets, when, in reality, they’re quite well off and such?
Toby: There’s always been bands fronting, acting like they’re from somewhere they’re not. That’s the whole backbone of a lot of hip-hop too, it’s an image thing, like saying “we’re from the streets” to sell records. In hardcore, yeah, there’s people that try to act that they’re from a place they don’t come from and you can see through that shit, it doesn’t matter what band it is, you know Madball is the real deal and what they sing about is the real deal and it’s the same with Agnostic Front, they’re the real deal too. You feel the realness, you feel it, you know it’s real, plus we know them so we know it’s real, but people coming out and saying they’re doing something that they’re not doing, you should be a good judgement of who’s real and who’s fake.
Adam: But there doesn’t need to be too much emphasis on that, I mean, Johnny Cash didn’t shoot someone in Reno… Sometimes it’s just people telling stories. You’ve just got to take it for what it is.
Toby: Exactly, neither did Ice Cube or NWA [shoot people] and I love them, but there’s only one Madball, one Sick Of It All, one Agnostic Front and one H2O, that’s all I’ve got.
Adam: One Madball and a billion Badballs. [laughs]
Faye: Even though you’re labelled a New York hardcore band, your sound seems a lot more melodic and positive than those usually labelled as NYHC bands.
Toby: There’s a lot of bands that people sleep on and think we’re the only melodic band, when we’re not, we weren’t original at all, it’s just that when we came out we were like a breath of fresh air because everything was so hard, so chugga chugga, so tough, those are all our boys, but I don’t sing like that, the way I sing is the way I sing, but we were definitely inspired by all those New York bands, but then Washington DC bands like Marginal Man, Dag Nasty, Government Issue, then the Descendents and bands like 7Seconds influenced us. There’s always been melody in New York like Gorilla Biscuits and Murphy’s Law, it’s just the time we came out.
Colin: Metalcore was really getting started when H2O began, the first H2O show before the four person show was with Snapcase and Earth Crisis, but they were at the beginning of that very early Victory scene. These guys were just an offshoot of the harder stuff, they weren’t necessarily the only ones with melody, but they were just different for that time.
Toby: Gorilla Biscuit’s Start Today, that’s one of my favourite hardcore records and they sang on there, with positivity and melodies, people forget about that and they’re very inspirational to us, as well as bands like Underdog and Token Entry.
Faye: With H2O, your lyrics are pretty simple and direct, but I feel you still get a lot out of them.
Toby: Yeah, there’s no candy-coated messages, that’s the way it’s always been, straight to the point, we don’t paint a crazy picture where you have to figure shit out, people can relate and still interpret them differently, though.
Faye: How did you get CM Punk to feature in your Nothing To Prove video?
Toby: That’s my boy, he’s my friend. The guys in Rancid told me there was a guy, CM Punk, and that he’s a fan of H2O and that he was going to be at our show in Chicago and I met him at the show and became really good friends. He stays at my house now, he’s my best friend, it’s crazy. I’m not even into wrestling, but I went to see him wrestle and it’s crazy, he’s like the number one wrestler in America. I’m going to see him next week at SummerSlam in LA and take my son, he loves it. He’s just a cool dude, he’s from Chicago, he’s a punk dude, he’s like the first straight edge wrestler in the history of wrestling. I think it’s awesome, kids buy gloves with X’s on them and he’s a positive role model, there’s never been a positive wrestler like that.
Adam: Hulk Hogan was pretty positive.
Toby: But he wasn’t preaching straight edge, you know what I mean? He’s just a friend, he’s just a regular dude, but loves hardcore punk music and he’s friends with Rancid, and we met him through Rancid and he was in town, and I said, “Come be in the video.” and he’s in it, that’s it.
Faye: CM Punk introduced me to straight edge when I was about 13/14 in 2003, when he was in the little independent leagues before WWE, then I got given Minor Threat’s Complete Discography, and that’s how I got into hardcore as well.
Toby: Who did? CM Punk did?! Get the fuck! That’s what I’m saying, not Ian MacKaye, a fucking wrestler got you into punk rock, that’s amazing, that’s crazy. These kids at the wrestling shows don’t know who Ian MacKaye is and Minor Threat, but they know CM Punk, I think it’s cool. Getting into Minor Threat because of CM Punk that’s cool, it’s great, that’s called infiltrating the system, what Madball says, it’s the truth. A hardcore punk dude being the number one wrestler in the WWE, teaching kids about hardcore and punk, it’s crazy, man. It’s weird.
Faye: What was it that drew you to the straight edge lifestyle?
Toby: My brothers being party animals and me being scared of them, to be honest. Then going to my first punk shows with them and then I heard Minor Threat, and I was like, “Wow, this is cool, it’s punk music that’s aggressive, but it’s saying I don’t have to be like my brother to be cool.” and that’s what happened. I kind of just fell into it, actually. Then I heard Gorilla Biscuits and I got into animal rights and really being straight edge. I was never militant, all my friends partied, I never went that way. That’s not what Ian MacKaye wanted when he wrote that song, it was his own personal song.
Faye: Yeah, what do you think about that? Ian MacKaye saying he never intended for the whole straight edge movement to happen, yet people turned it into this lifestyle.
Toby: I agree, he just wrote a song, then people went “Holy shit! This is really cool.” I saw a quote for this movie coming out, it’s called the Edge Movie, Ian MacKaye is in the front and he goes, “I never thought that straight edge was a lifestyle, drinking and partying that’s a lifestyle.” It’s pretty cool. He wrote a song, called it Straight Edge, that was it, and then people took whatever they could get out of that song and they turned it into whatever they wanted to do, he never said, “Do this! Do that!” It turned into a gigantic movement that was something positive and then it went totally crazy and militant and negative, with people getting arrested, fucking up people who drank and smoke, then it went back and disappeared, it has its way. But, yeah, one song changed the whole hardcore punk world, man.
Faye: If Minor Threat hadn’t wrote Straight Edge and the whole thing never happened, would you still believe in the same values?
Toby: For sure, I think I would because I never really label myself that, I’d never go around saying “I’m fucking straight edge!” It’s just a preference. I think I would be still like that because my brothers, like I said, scared me, they used to give me wedgies, they used to fucking smoke weed in the house, used to be all drunk, I didn’t like that, I didn’t like the way people were when they were fucked up. But I would go to parties with my brothers and they would say, “Give give my brother the money.” and I’d go on the beer run and never come back. I’d go home and take all the money and never come back. [laughs] I always used to scam people at parties like that, it was great.
Colin: I’m definitely in the same boat as he is, like I never label myself straight edge, I’ve just never done any of that, I luckily fell into this, someone was like, “Oh, you’re like me.” and gave me a Fugazi record.
Barney: I know I’m not in the band, but I will comment, I never wanted to be part of the movement, I hated the movement with a fucking passion, because it’s so moralistic and I’m not a moral person, I think morals are bullshit. I was straight for years, didn’t drink for years, didn’t do drugs, nothing, but I just got so fucked off with people coming to gigs with socks full of fucking snooker balls, killing people, like in America. For some years we were worrying about fucking Nazis and then when that had gone, all these fucking kids had turned onto straight edge and started beating people up, it’s the same difference. Straight edge is a personal choice and that’s why I always agree with Ian MacKaye, it’s a personal choice and nothing else.
Toby: Barney of Napalm Death, how many people even knew that this guy was straight edge or vegetarian? They automatically judge him for his band or lyrics and everything. I mean, when you look at him now and then see him sing, it’s a totally different, like night and day. It’s like Jamey from Hatebreed, he’s a soft-spoken dude and then they sing about stuff they’re passionate about, but nobody would probably think he as a vegetarian, but that’s his personal life, he doesn’t preach about it. Bob Barker from The Price Is Right, he’s a straight vegan, but nobody ever knew that. Gene Simmons has been like straight edge his whole life, he’s not wearing Xs. [laughs]
Barney: Using straight edge to beat people, that’s the negative side, it’s become this moral crusade and, for me, it’s no better than fundamental Christianity, really.
Toby: Barney’s going fucking OFF in here! [laughs] It’s true, I agree with you.
Faye: Is straight edge more important for you now, since you have a family and want to set a good example?
Toby: Yeah, obviously my kid is straight edge not by choice, he’s six [laughs] and he’s vegetarian, he knows a chicken is a chicken, but if he wants to eat meat, he can eat meat, if he wants to eat fish or sushi at his school, go ahead, I’m not going to tell him what to do. If you like it, eat it, he knows he’d be eating a fish. If he wants to drink when he’s 21, that’s his decision, he knows how I am, it might work or he might totally rebel against me and I’m ready for that, I can only raise him the way I think is the right way and is the way I am. I didn’t have a dad past three years old, so I can’t say, “My dad did this to me…” This shit is all new for me, I can only give him the morals that I have.
Faye: Tell us about the stuff you guys have on the side from H2O, I know Toby’s got a clothing line...
Toby: Yeah, S.E.O.G. (Straight Edge O.G). In reality, it’s just some shirts in my closet right now [laughs], but when they run out I’m going to make some new designs. It’s interesting you asked that because I just got an email from this guy, who’s going to order a bunch of the drug free ones for school for his kid for something they’re having about drugs in school, and all the kids are going to wear them at the school, so that’s pretty cool and good positive shit.
Faye: Rusty, you own a jewelry business called PNUT Jewelry, how did you get into that?
Rusty: I went to college for it, I did my B.F.A. and M.F.A. in drawing and painting, and then I did sculpture and metals. The jewelry business was pretty much by accident, I would make stuff for me, go out on tour, then other bands would buy stuff and they would wear it and I’d get a picture to put up on the site, then it turned into a legitimate business about five years ago, so it’s good, it makes money. Tattoos meets Tiffany’s.
Toby: Rusty’s the king of punk rock bling bling.
Adam: I run a bar in Manhattan called Kings Head Tavern on 14th Street, so anyone who comes in can buy a drink for me. [laughs]
Toby: And you can hear H2O on the jukebox.
Faye: You recently played a couple of Hazen Street shows, how did they go?
Toby: It was great and playing with Chad was good, everything was fun. It was fun for a while, while we were doing it, but then it got a little bit crazy with music industry shit. But, yeah, it was fun to play those shows and I still think the songs are great, it was a really fun record to make with all those people and friends, it was a great experience, would do it again, for sure.
Faye: Will there be another Hazen Street record?
Toby: There will be, there’s a couple of songs floating around that Chad and Mitts wrote, so we’ll see what happens and now we have the freedom to do whatever we want and Chad would totally be in the band because he’s on a whole different label on Epitaph and they’re cool about that, he was just on a major that time that owned everything he did, so it was hard for him, it sucked and bummed him out, because he couldn’t be on the record or in a picture or anything, it was crazy, but that’s the music industry. We’d like to re-release the album on vinyl too, we’re trying to figure out.
Faye: When will H2O next be coming to the UK?
Toby: Not for a while, we’ve been here like four times in a year. That’s why we stopped, in the US, we overplayed places and saturated ourselves, so many bands drag their shit into the mud and they keep making albums and people are like, “Alright, already, you made the same album.” We never wanted to be that band and we don’t want to get sick of each other neither, so we came to the UK four times this year and now we’re chilling, we’ll see what happens next, especially the UK, we came back to a couple of places where we shouldn’t have, it was too soon, but the Peterborough show was great, it was a new place. I don’t know when we’ll come back, maybe a couple of years, I don’t know.
Faye: You need to play more north, so I don’t have to travel 8-hours.
Toby: Yeah, that’s the deal, we are going to come back, we need to play Manchester, Birmingham, Newcastle, Scotland, Ireland, Wales, we need to play places like those where kids have been travelling so far to see us at and I’m sorry to those people, we need to go to these places, for sure, I don’t want to sleep on those places.
Faye: Change the record, who should we be listening to?
Toby: None More Black and probably this band called Trapped Under Ice – good kids from Baltimore.
Adam: Cruel Hand, they’re awesome.
Toby: Cruel Hand are fucking amazing, they’re one of my favourite and most tightest bands, greats kids, they’re positive, they have the right attitude, they play great music, they love hardcore, they like stage diving in bushes at hotels, they’re amazing, representing Portland, Maine.
Faye: I think that’s about it, is there anything else you want to say?
Toby: Thanks to everyone in the UK that came out to a show, we appreciate people coming to see us a bunch of times within the past year, it’s been a long time since we came here. A lot of people could have cut us off and not listened to the new album and say, “Fuck these dudes, it’s been seven years”, but people came back and it’s been great and we appreciate it. We’re lucky to be here still, especially when there’s so many new bands right now, so thanks.